Nuovo statere di Quinctius Flamininus apparso sul mercato

[King John]

Buonasera, volevo segnalare questo nuovo statere di Quinctius Falmininus apparso sul mercato. La cosa può interessare soprattutto l'amico @acraf che, com'è noto, è uno studioso di questa emissione.     Maison Palombo > Auction 17	Auction date: 20 October 2018
Lot number: 25 Price realized: This lot is for sale in an upcoming auction - Bid on this lot
Lot description: T. Quinctius Flamininus Statère d'or - Chalcis (c. 196 av. J.-C.)  D'une insigne rareté et du meilleur style.  Exemplaire de la collection N. B. Hunt vente Sotheby's (New York) des 19 et 20 juin 1990, N°111 et de la collection J. C. Guilliams acheté chez Tradart et de la vente NGSA V des 2 et 3 décembre 2008, N°162  8.50g - Cal. 29  Superbe à FDC - CHOICE AU  R.A.G. Carson, « The Golden Stater of Flamininus », The British Museum Quarterly XX.1 (1955), p. 11; A.A. Boyce, "The Gold Staters of T. Quic- tius Flaminius", in Hommages à Albert Grenier I, Bruxelles, 1962, pp. 342-350; M. Crawford, Roman Republican coinage, Cambridge 1974, p. 544, n°548/1b; D. von Bothmer (éd.), Wealth of the Ancient World. The Nelson Bunker Hunt and William Herbert Hunt Collections, Fort Worth 1983, p.  218, n°109 (cet exemplaire); M. R. Alföldi., « Der Stater des T. Quinctius Flamininus », Numismatische Zeitschrift 98, 1984, pp. 19-26; C. Botrè et al., "Applicazione della spettroscopia con fluoroscenza a raggi X nello studio di antiche monete romane: implicazioni di carattere storico ed economico", Bollettino di Numismatica 13 (1989), pp. 129-143; C. Botrè, "Lo statere d'oro di Tito Quinzio Flaminino: una coniazione straordinaria", Rivista Italiana di Numismatica 96 (1994-1995), pp. 47-52, pl. 1 n°9 (cet exemplaire); C. Botrè, "Roma ed il regno di Macedonia. I loro conflitti nello studio di alcune documentazione numismatiche", Schweizerische Numismatische Rundschau 76 (1997), pp. 65-73; A. Campana, "Monete d'oro della Repubblica roma- na. III – Aureo di Tito Quizio Flaminino (196 a.C.)", Panorama Numismatico 142 (2000), pp. 17-21: p. 19, n°7 (cet exemplaire); Tradart, catalogue de la collection J.C. Guilliams, Bruxelles c. 2007, n°23 (cet exemplaire); F. De Callataÿ, "More Than It Would Seem: The Use of Coinage by the Romans in Late Hellenistic Asia Minor (133-63 BC)", American Journal of Numismatics 23 (2011), pp. 55-86: p. 60, n°3 (cet exemplaire); A. Suspène, « En guise d'introduction: les enseignements du portrait monétaire de César », in Cahiers des études anciennes, vol. XLIX (2012), pp. 7-18: p. 8, note 3; L.  Amela Valverde, "La emisión de T. Qvincti (RRC 548)", OMNI 5 (2012), pp. 38-42; P. Newey, Φιλοτιμότατος και φιλοδοξότατος, PhD-dissertation, Uni- versiteit Gent 2012; A. Stewart, Art in the Hellenistic World, Cambridge 2014, pp. 240-241; C. Rowan, "Ambiguity, iconology and entangled objects on coinage of the Republican World", in The Journal of Roman Studies, 2016, pp. 1-45: p. 4, p. 25; A. Campana, La Monetazione di T. Quinctius Flaminius.  Un aureo ellenistico (RRC 548/1), Cassino 2016, p. 48, p. 50, n°3 (cet exemplaire); P.-L. Brisson, Titus Flamininus et la seconde guerre de Macédoine, MA-dissertation, Université du Québec à Montréal 2017, pp. 108-115; A. Campana, "L'aureo di T. Quinctius Flaminius (RRC 548/1): un'aggiunta e una rettifica", Monete Antiche 96 (nov.-déc. 2017), pp. 23-28: p. 23, n°3 (cet exemplaire) When the British Museum acquired an example of this type in 1955, the curator R.A.G. Carson wrote that the coin was "one of the most notable acqui- sitions by the Department and ... certainly the most important single piece ever to be added to the Roman series". In its catalogue of the Perfectionist's collection in May 2005, the firm Leu Numismatik wrote of this type that "This is one of the most historically exciting and important Roman gold coins in existence", and referred to this specific example as "the famous Hunt coin" (which was reportedly acquired in the early 1980s for US$ 400,000 – over 1,000 ounces of fine gold at the time).  Independent from its desirability as a perfect specimen of a very rare and beautiful coin, this gold stater is of the utmost importance because of the portrait it presents of Titus Quinctius Flamininus (c. 229-c. 174 BC). He was a prominent figure in the Roman Republican imperium, as explained below. But what is especially significant is that almost no living persons had been depicted previously; the privilege being reserved for deities. The Persians had done this in the late fifth century BC, but Alexander the Great himself hadn't dared to do this, only his general, Ptolemy – king of Egypt and Pharaoh – in 305/304 BC. After the present coin with the effigy of Flamininus, it is necessary to wait a century and a half until a coin might present a comparable portrait: bronze coins struck in 57-55 BC in Nysa-Scythopolis in Syria during the governorship of Gabinius bear a male his portrait accompanied by the letters ΓΑ (ref. RPC I 4825-8): possibly Gabinius' but possibly Philip Philadelphus. Then, Pompey had some aurei struck in 71 BC to celebrate his triumph; but those show his eldest son standing in a quadriga and do not present his bust (ref. Crawford 402 = Cal. 35). The real successor to this coin is the denarius commissioned by Julius Caesar in 44 BC (ref. Crawford 480/2-20). Because the identification of the marble bust from Delphi has been contested by M. Crawford, and because the 'Hellenistic Prince' found in 1885 on the Quirinal slopes is now understood to be the portrait of Quintus Caecilius Metellus Jnr. (after 143 BC), this coin remains the only certain portrait of Flamininus.  In the 270s BC, the Roman army defeated a Greek one – that of King Pyrrhus of Epirus – but this had taken place in Southern Italy, far from Greece. And, when the Romans fought the Illyrians in 228 and 219 BC, it took place in the Balkan peninsula, and it was King Philip V of Macedon (c. 238-c. 179 BC) who decided not to let the Romans get any closer. The Romans, in any case, had more pressing priorities, such as defeating Carthage (in the Battle of Zama in 202 BC), but around 200 BC they were asked by Greek and Asian allies to intervene against Philip. Over two years, the Romans had little success, but then a new consul was elected in 198 BC, namely, T. Quinctius Flamininus, who had notably served as military tribune in 208 BC and as propraetor in Tarentum in 205-204 BC (205-202 BC?). Flamininus, with the support of the Achaean League, defeated Philip V of Macedon at the battle of the Aous, and again – decisively – at the battle of Kynoskephalai (in Thessaly) by spring 197 BC. The terms for peace said that Philip would remain king of Macedon, but that he would have to free all Greek cities, so that in 196 BC Flamininus was able to proclaim the freedom of Greece at the Isthmian games, which were held on the Isthmus of Corinth, an event related by Livy (33.33) and repeated at the Nemean games at Argos.  Where and when these coins were issued remains unresolved. The choice to depict Flamininus' bare head, without a wreath or a diadem, as opposed to traditional royal portraits, would have been understood by the Greeks as the symbol of their freedom, depicting him as an individual rather than a ruler.  Both Greeks and Romans would have been impressed by the quality of the style of this portrait, simultaneously realistic and idealized. And the Romans would have understood the Latin legend, and it has been said (though contested by Crawford) that some examples have been found in Magna Graecia and Sicily. They could have been issued in the occasion of his three-day triumph in 194 BC in Rome (cf. Livy 34.52), as indeed, Livy described the tri- umph of 194, and noted an important donative to veterans: "On the third day one hundred and fourteen golden crowns, gifts from the cities, were carried past; the victims were in the procession, and in front of the chariot there were many noble prisoners and hostages, among whom were Demetrius, the son of King Philip, and the Spartan Armenes, son of the tyrant Nabis. After them Quinctius himself entered the city. Following the chariot were throngs of soldiers, since the whole army had been brought back from the province. Each of these received in the distribution two hundred and fifty asses for the infantry, twice that amount for the centurions, and thrice for the cavalry" (Livy's Hist. of Rome XXXIV 52.8-10), but that does not seem consistent with the fact that no example was ever found near Rome, and they were more likely brought back from Greece by veterans of the Second Macedonian War.  In the words of Crawford, "the reverse type is that of the gold staters of Alexander, still in circulation in Greece in the second century" (with the Mace- donian stylis replaced by a palm-branch), and this confirms his belief that the coin was struck in Greece – making it the only Macedonian gold issue of the period. They would have been struck as homage of gratitude, after his proclamation of 196 BC: according to the historian Polybius who reported the ceremony, the crowd cheered Flamininus in such a great way after the proclamation that the ovation shocked passing birds who fell from the sky.  Plutarch (Flam. 12) reports that among other honours received by Flamininus from the Greeks, he was deified in life in Chalkis in Euboea (in gratitude for his support of the invasion of Antiochus III of Syria), which had an active mint and it is therefore a possibility that this was the place where the coins were struck. But, after Cynoscephalae, Philip also had to pay a thousand talents (a weight unit: 26 kilograms of silver i.e. 2.6 kg of gold), forfeit most of his vessels, and deposit hostages at Rome – including his own son, Demetrius, who was restored to him in 190 BC. Might the Romans have had the idea of ordering him to pay in gold and strike a coin with the portrait of his defeater? A Macedonian or Greek strike seems quite likely, considering the choice of an Attic-standard stater-weight. And might Flamininus then have used them as donative to his legionaries? The emission was seemingly fairly-large, with five dies known each for the obverse and the reverse: Campana estimated the emission to have amounted to about 30,000 coins, but Callataÿ hypothesizes the use of a dozen dies and a total emission of over 100,000 coins. Undoubtedly, then, these coins were heavily melted – a fact coherent with the possibility of "Greek" coins being brought back to Roman republican territories. Moreover, a metal analysis was done of an example in private hands, and Botrè summarized the results as follow: "Dal tipo di lega aurea usata nella coniazione dello statere di Flaminino si è potuto stabilire che questa è praticamente identica alle leghe usate per coniare monete d'oro in Grecia e nettamente diversa da quelle usate successivamente a Roma in età repubblicana" (i.e. the gold used is almost identical to that of Greek coins whilst it is very different from that used in Republican Rome – notably because of the presence of nearly 1% of silver). Brisson even noticed, on the Berlin-museum example, that the Q in the legend is not well engraved and rather resembles the Greek letter rho.  D. von Bothmer noticed that "the lack of associated silver suggests its purpose was honorary or commemorative rather than practical", and he elegantly described the obverse: "his portrait has the disheveled hair and upward gaze in vogue since Alexander and has been shown to be closely modeled on the coin portraits of Flamininus' erstwhile enemy Philip V [i.e. his tetradrachms]. Its baroque style belongs to the Asian rather than the Alexandrian school.  It features rugged, expressive modeling, softened a bit since the days of the Diadochi. It also displays a sympathy for lean, aquiline features which is evi- dent in contemporary Seleucid as well as Macedonian portraiture". And in the words of A. Stewart, the philhellene consul appears "in quasi-Hellenistic style, with flamboyantly tousled hair and a prominently aquiline nose; his receding chin and scruffy sideburns are realistic touches. The portrait matches Plutarch's comment that he was equally passionate both in anger and in kindness, and always thirsting for honor and glory".  When this specimen was published in 1983, there was only one other known in private hands. There are two varieties, both with the legend T QVINCTI going upwards or downwards (it must be noted that it was the Greeks – not the Romans – who traditionally used the nomen with a shortened prae- nomen). Of the downwards type (Crawford 548/1a), three examples are known: in the Berlin museum (inv. 18201660 supposedly found in 1883), in the London museum (inv. BM 1954-1009.1), and in a private collection (M&M 61 of 1982 lot 104 = NAC 4 of 1991 lot 110 = Leu 70 of 1994 lot 65 = Triton III of 1999 lot 815). Of the upwards type (Crawford 548/1b), eight examples are known: in the Paris museum (inv. FG 1637), in the Athens museum (inv. NM 1669), and in private collections (Leu 20 of 1978 lot 79 = Triton IV of 1999 lot 79 = NAC 39 of 2007 lot 85, Leu 81 of 2001 lot 187 = Leu 93 of 2005 lot 1 = NGSA 4 of 2006 lot 130, M&M 73 of 1988 lot 149 = NAC 83 of 2015 lot 264, NAC 100 of 2017 lot 210 = Oslo Myntgalleri 14 of 2018 lot 853, an example published by Boyce in 1962 and then by Botrè in 1989, and this specimen first published in 1983). This is the best-preserved example of all eleven known.

Modificato 24 Settembre, 2018 da King John

[dux-sab]

è una mia impressione o sembra che sia stato asportato del metallo dietro il collo ?

[Archestrato]

@King John, penso che questo esemplare sia già ben noto ad acraf.

Non so nulla o quasi di francese parlato o scritto, ma penso proprio che "cet exemplaire" voglia dire questo esemplare, dal testo copiato e incollato in apertura di discussione:

 

A. Campana, "Monete d'oro dellaRepubblica romana. III – Aureo di Tito Quizio Flaminino (196 a.C.)", Panorama Numismatico 142 (2000), pp. 17-21: p. 19, n°7 (cet exemplaire);

 

A. Campana, La Monetazione di T. Quinctius Flaminius. Un aureo ellenistico (RRC 548/1), Cassino 2016, p. 48, p.50, n°3 (cet exemplaire);

 

A. Campana, "L'aureo di T.Quinctius Flaminius (RRC548/1): un'aggiunta e unarettifica", Monete Antiche 96(nov.-déc. 2017), pp. 23-28: p.23, n°3 (cet exemplaire) ;

 

Poi magari questi riferimenti sono io a capirli male, e non voglio fare polemiche, la passione c'è ed è evidente, ma dato che su questo forum la divulgazione "dovrebbe" essere di casa, se si fa un uso costante del "copia/incolla" si "dovrebbe" necessariamente leggere ciò che si copia, per evitare sviste o ancor peggio di divulgare e magari coltivare gli errori di altri (non è questo il caso naturalmente, ma non si sa mai..).

 

PS: Flamininus.. non Falmininus.. sbaglio?

 

Modificato 24 Settembre, 2018 da Archestrato

[numa numa]

E’ l’esemplare proveniente dalla celebre vendita Hunt negli anni ‘Novanta d transitato di nuovo in una delle prime vendite di Numismatica Genevensis.

Uno dei migliori esemplari di questa rara emissione e straconosciuto 

[King John]

 

@King John, penso che questo esemplare sia già ben noto ad acraf.

Non so nulla o quasi di francese parlato o scritto, ma penso proprio che "cet exemplaire" voglia dire questo esemplare, dal testo copiato e incollato in apertura di discussione:

 

A. Campana, "Monete d'oro dellaRepubblica romana. III – Aureo di Tito Quizio Flaminino (196 a.C.)", Panorama Numismatico 142 (2000), pp. 17-21: p. 19, n°7 (cet exemplaire);

 

A. Campana, La Monetazione di T. Quinctius Flaminius. Un aureo ellenistico (RRC 548/1), Cassino 2016, p. 48, p.50, n°3 (cet exemplaire);

 

A. Campana, "L'aureo di T.Quinctius Flaminius (RRC548/1): un'aggiunta e unarettifica", Monete Antiche 96(nov.-déc. 2017), pp. 23-28: p.23, n°3 (cet exemplaire) ;

 

Poi magari questi riferimenti sono io a capirli male, e non voglio fare polemiche, la passione c'è ed è evidente, ma dato che su questo forum la divulgazione "dovrebbe" essere di casa, se si fa un uso costante del "copia/incolla" si "dovrebbe" necessariamente leggere ciò che si copia, per evitare sviste o ancor peggio di divulgare e magari coltivare gli errori di altri (non è questo il caso naturalmente, ma non si sa mai..).

 

PS: Flamininus.. non Falmininus.. sbaglio?

 

Chiedo pubblicamente scusa per la mia mancanza e per aver urtato la tua suscettibilità. Il titolo della discussione l'ho corretto il resto non posso farlo ("uso pesante del copia-incolla"). Come unica attenuante (e non certo come esimente) invoco l'ora (per me) tarda. Mi cospargo il capo di cenere in segno di pentimento...

[dux-sab]

.......................Mi cospargo il capo di cenere in segno di pentimento..

io aggiungerei anche 15 frustate. ?

Modificato 24 Settembre, 2018 da dux-sab

[numa numa]

 

Chiedo pubblicamente scusa per la mia mancanza e per aver urtato la tua suscettibilità. Il titolo della discussione l'ho corretto il resto non posso farlo ("uso pesante del copia-incolla"). Come unica attenuante (e non certo come esimente) invoco l'ora (per me) tarda. Mi cospargo il capo di cenere in segno di pentimento...

Le tue segnalazioni sono sempre intelligenti e spesso divertenti ed ironiche... non vedo che problema ci sia se scappa ogni tanto ( credo scappi a tutti) qualcosa già detta, ovvia o conosciuta .. nessuno possiede tutto lo scibile e in dubio - repetita iuvant ( oggi mi sento di latino ) ?

[King John]

 

Le tue segnalazioni sono sempre intelligenti e spesso divertenti ed ironiche... non vedo che problema ci sia se scappa ogni tanto ( credo scappi a tutti) qualcosa già detta, ovvia o conosciuta .. nessuno possiede tutto lo scibile e in dubio - repetita iuvant ( oggi mi sento di latino ) ?

Grazie infinite per queste tue parole ma accetto sportivamente la critica di @Archestrato perché fondata (forse un tantinello eccessiva) e, siccome credo che la cordialità e l'amicizia nelle discussioni debba sempre prevalere, me la tengo. 

[YV_ laMoneta]

holes, in blue circles, how did they appear?

 

Modificato 24 Settembre, 2018 da YV_ laMoneta

[King John]

Ecco qua, puntuale come Equitalia....

[eracle62]

CVD...

[acraf]

Un esemplare già noto: è il n. 3 del mio Corpus (ex asta Numismatica Genevensis): un esemplare autentico...

[Tinia Numismatica]

Il 24/9/2018 alle 16:57, YV_ laMoneta dice:

holes, in blue circles, how did they appear?

 

Be cause the minting process