nuovi lincoln cent union shield

[mfiumani]

ciao, a tutti mi sono appena arrivati da un viaggio in usa i nuovi cent denominati Union Shield, che ha sostituito il Lincoln Memorial, emesso dal 2010 (che a me manca...) di seguito 2011-2012 e 2013

buona giornata

[lopezcoins]

Carini, ma preferisco il classico Lincoln Memorial.

[petronius arbiter]

Un sondaggio aperto nel 2011 sul forum americano Coin Talk, e tuttora attivo, in cui si chiede se piace o no il nuovo disegno del Lincoln cent, sta dando il seguente risultato

No 56,74%, Sì 43,26%

E' un risultato costante nel tempo, nel senso che fin dall'inizio del sondaggio i NO sono stati sempre in vantaggio.

petronius :)

[vathek1984]

Molto belli secondo me...lo scudo è tratto da alcune "prove" del 1800, ed in effetti ha uno stile molto classico...le novità numismatiche non sono mai state accolte positivamente...;)

[stf]

Negli USA circolano già le monete del 2013? Qua da noi ancora no, eccetto i 2€ commemorativi tedeschi.

[collezionistabari]

Per carità non sono brutte, ma un monumento è un monumento ;)

[nibanny]

Negli USA circolano già le monete del 2013? Qua da noi ancora no, eccetto i 2 commemorativi tedeschi.

Qualche centesimo si trova già, di solito i dimes e nickels sono più "rari".

Io personalmente preferisco il nuovo disegno, sono più propenso a figure allegoriche piuttosto che a monumenti o persone.

MM

[nibanny]

emesso dal 2010 (che a me manca...)

mfiumani, fammi avere il tuo indirizzo per MP, quando mi ricordo te ne metto un paio del 2010 in una busta e te li spedisco.

MM

[mfiumani]

mfiumani, fammi avere il tuo indirizzo per MP, quando mi ricordo te ne metto un paio del 2010 in una busta e te li spedisco.MM

grazie mille Matteo, con questo finisco il folder 74 to date (tranne la serie del 2009 P e D che credo acquistero' completa su ebay)

[villa66]

Divertente quanto poco lacune nella nostra conoscenza di hobby si aprono con il passare degli anni. Quando ero un ragazzo, come tanti altri ragazzi che hanno iniziato la raccolta centesimi americano a quel tempo, iniziato con una cartella blu di Whitman "1941-to-date." Molto presto da allora in poi ho iniziato la cartella del compagno, "1909-1940."

Ma che è stato molto tempo fa. Mia cartella 1941-to-date era molto un work in progress, con l'ultima fabbrica-stampa le aperture 1964 e 1964d. Ho usato una penna per scrivere a mano le nuove date per alcuni anni, ma devo avere fermato circa 1969 o 1970—da allora ho potuto vedere che le cartelle aperte-faccia moneta avevano definiti inconvenienti quando è venuto a FDC centesimi.

Così espulso il mio cartelle blue, e anche se li ricordo con piacere, raramente o mai pensare a loro in qualsiasi senso corrente. Fino ad oggi, non credo, mai smesso di pensare a quando aveva finito la mia vecchia cartella 1941-to-date—1974!

Attuale line-up Whitman delle cartelle blue per la serie di cento Lincoln semicompleta: 1909-1940, 1941-1974, 1975-to-date (che penso che ora è piena di capacità con le monete 2013 e 2013d), quindi dovremmo vedere presto 1975-2013 e poi un quarto nuovo, cartella—assumendo produzione Lincoln cent continua—per 2014-to-date.

:) v.

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Funny how little gaps in our hobby knowledge open up with the passage of years. When I was a boy, like so many other kids who began collecting American pennies at that time, I started off with a blue Whitman folder “1941-to-date.” Very soon thereafter I started the companion folder, “1909-1940.”

But that was a long time ago. My 1941-to-date folder was very much a work in progress, with the last factory-printing being the 1964 and 1964d openings. I used a pen to handwrite the new dates for a few years, but I must have stopped about 1969 or 1970—by then I could see that open-face coin folders had definite drawbacks when it came to BU cents.

So I jettisoned my blue folders, and although I remember them with pleasure, I rarely or never think about them in any current sense. Until today, I guess, I never stopped to think about when my old 1941-to-date folder had finished—1974!

Whitman’s current line-up of blue folders for the semi-complete Lincoln cent series: 1909-1940, 1941-1974, 1975-to-date (which I think is now full to capacity with the 2013 and 2013d coins), so we soon should see 1975-2013 and then a new, fourth folder—assuming production of the Lincoln cent continues—for 2014-to-date.

:) v.

[stf]

@@villa66

E' comune trovare in circolazione penny e nickel molto vecchi? Fino a che data si riesce ad andare indietro con le monete che si trovano in circolazione? Le monete con disegni di vecchio tipo vengono ritirate o no?

Hai mai trovato in circolazione monete da 1 dollaro, 1/2 dollaro, monete d'argento o penny del 1943? I penny commemorativi del 2009 sono circolanti?

L'unico altro stato al mondo in cui circolano ancora vecchie monete è la Svizzera. Ci sono ancora i 10 rappen dal 1879 ad oggi!

Is common to find very old pennies and nickels in circulation? Until what date you can go back with circulating coins? Are old-style coins (indian head cents, wheat cents, buffalo nickels) withdrawn from circulation? Have you ever found 1 dollar, 1/2 dollar, silver coins or 1943 pennies in circulation? Are 2009 commemorative pennies circulating?

The only other country in the world where old coins are still circulating is Switzerland. There are still 10 rappen coins fron 1879 to date!

Modificato 13 Aprile, 2013 da stf

[villa66]

(I’m sorry this is in English only, but the online translator is being…uncooperative.)

All U.S. coins minted since 1792 are legal tender. What actually circulates are, in rough proportion to their age: 1-cent beginning 1959, 5-cent beginning 1939, 10-cent beginning 1965, and 25-cent beginning 1965. The 50-cent pieces (beginning 1971) and (small) 1-dollar coins of 1979 and later do not commonly circulate, but can be easily found at banks and spent into circulation without difficulty.

I see a silver nickel (1942-5) once in a great while, but they have now almost completely disappeared. Wheat cents (1909-1958) also appear in circulation, but rarely. And it has been decades since I have gotten a rusty steel cent (1943) in circulation. The 2009 Lincoln cents? In theory they circulate, but I can’t remember seeing one for a year or so. And the current “Park” quarters are much scarcer in circulation than the “State” quarters.

Generally, the “Seated” coinage disappeared from circulation by the early-1940s, Indian Head cents, Liberty nickels, and Barber dimes, quarters and halves disappeared from circulation by the early-1950s. Silver dollars disappeared from circulation (but were still available at some banks) just before I became really aware of coins as a little boy in the mid-1960s. Lincoln cents back to 1909 were common, as were dateless Buffalo nickels (but also many partial dates of the ‘20s and ‘30s, and lots of decent 1935 and 1936 coins), Mercury dimes were an everyday thing, as were dateless Standing Liberty quarters and Washingtons from the earliest issues of the ‘30s; Walking Liberty halves (mostly from the ‘40s, but sometimes from ’34-39) were very commonly seen, even more often than the Franklins, which were also common in circulation.

But then it all changed very quickly. In the year or two after I began collecting, the Kennedy half dollar appeared, and then came the copper-nickel dimes and quarters, and the 40% halves. Our family departed for Italia, and when we returned to the U.S. a few years later, half dollars were no longer an everyday coin.

It’s late, and I’m far, far down Memory Lane, so…when we arrived in Italia in ’66, what I saw circulating in the vicinity of Napoli was the small-size 5L (always 10+ years old), 10L (always at least 10 years old), 20L (much less frequently than the other coins—I had the feeling the 20L was something of an oddity, since 1957 and ’58 were the only dates I ever saw), 50L, 100L, and 500L Caravels (with their hidden dates!), and an occasional ’61 Unification 500L.

:) v.

[stf]

Yes, 5 lire were not minted between 1957 and 1965 (1956 is very rare), 10 lire between 1957 and 1964 (1965 is quite rare) and 20 lire between 1960 and 1967 (1959 is not so common and 1968 was only in mint sets).

20 lire 1957-58-59 have vertical strips on the edge, while post 1968 are smooth.

1 and 2 lire, last minted in 1959 were probably rare in 1966.

You should have looked for 50 lire 1958 (very rare) and 1960 (quite rare).

[villa66]

...le novità numismatiche non sono mai state accolte positivamente... ;)

Vero. Il nuovo rovescio Memorial è stato fortemente criticato nei suoi primi anni. Un insulto che ricordo la lettura era il soprannome di "Carrello Auto" rovescio.

;) v.

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True. The new Memorial reverse was heavily criticized in its early years. One insult that I remember reading was the nickname “Trolley Car” reverse.

;) v.

[villa66]

grazie mille Matteo, con questo finisco il folder 74 to date....

Questa istruzione piccola (ma importante) ha colpito una corda di memoria. Presto dopo che siamo arrivati in Italia, ho trovato questo oscuro "Grano" reverse mi fissava dalla pavimentazione del parcheggio/parco giochi della scuola elementare americana in Via Manzoni a Napoli.

Quando abbiamo partì per gli Stati Uniti per oltremare, mia blu cartella "1941-to-date" piena di centesimi di Lincoln era quasi completo. Avevo ottenuto il 1954 sorprendentemente duro, e il 1955s famoso (a quel tempo!), che poi è stato pensato per essere l'ultimo centesimo "S-zecca"—quindi, comunque, quando partimmo per l'Italia che avevo raccolto li tutti tranne uno, il 1942s. E così ho preso mio scuro cent di Lincoln da marciapiede italiano e si girò...

E naturalmente tutti sapete molto bene come mi sentivo.

;) v.

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This small (but important!) statement struck a chord of memory. Soon after we arrived in Italia, I found this dark “Wheat” reverse staring up at me from the pavement of the parking lot/playground of the American elementary school on Via Manzoni in Napoli.

When we departed the U.S. for overseas, my blue “1941-to-date” folder full of Lincoln cents was nearly complete. I had gotten the surprisingly tough 1954, and the famous (at that time!) 1955s—which was then thought to be the last “S-mint” cent—so anyway, when we departed for Italia I had collected them all except one, the 1942s. And so I picked up my dark Lincoln cent from the Italian pavement and turned it over…

And of course you all know very well how I felt.

:) v.

[vathek1984]

Il 1954 era considerato raro?

[Erdrückt]

Ne ho anche io uno in Fdc ma per i miei gusti è molto più bello quello classico (anzi è una delle mie monete preferite si può dire :P)

[villa66]

Il 1954 era considerato raro?

(I’m sorry for the English only, but the online translator, again, is misbehaving.)

Difficult as it seems—the mintage was 71.9M!—the Philadelphia-mint 1954 Lincoln was tough to find in circulation when I began collecting. Reasons?

1) 71.9M was a relatively small mintage at the time, and was a result of the economic slowdown that followed the end of the Korean War. (For comparison, in 1953, the final war year, production of the 1-cent was Philadelphia--257M, Denver--700.5M, San Francisco--181.8M).

2) 71.9M was not the sort of number that alerted speculators, so in the absence of other factors, the coins would enter normal circulation.

3) It was San Francisco—not Philadelphia—that had captured most of hobby’s attention at the time (the San Francisco mint was due to shut down its coining operations—and did—in 1955), so again, Philadelphia’s 1954 cents went into normal circulation and were widely dispersed.

4) For me personally, geography also played a role. In the U.S., the coins of a particular mint are almost always commoner within the area they serve, and scarcer elsewhere. For the narrow purpose :D of coin acquisition only, it was my great personal misfortune(!) to live within the area served by the Denver mint.

Finally, just to confirm the idea that the 1954 was tough to find—and that it wasn’t just my memory playing tricks on me—I looked at the 1965 Bluebook. Sure enough, of all the 1944-64 Lincoln cents (excluding the double-die and small-date varieties), the only dates that dealers would buy at a premium in VF condition were the 1955s ($0.10) and the 1954 ($0.05). The others were listed in VF at $0.01.

It was so much fun to look for those old coppers!

:) v.